Elk Creek Disc Golf
Appomattox, VA

jfarm07 · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

From my experience, my best guess is...

DX Rancho Roc HSS 0 LSS 2.5
KC Rancho Roc HSS 0 LSS 2.5
Star Rancho Roc HSS 0 LSS 3
Star Ontario Roc HSS -1 LSS 2

Never had a champ Roc that I liked. Well, I've only had one. And I don't like it. Domiest thing I've ever seen. I throw KC Pros as a utility disc for holes with conveniently placed watery graves. DX Rocs quickly lose their stability if you throw them in the woods a lot. Star Rancho is my go-to. My Ontario is great for uphill shots and slow-turning hyzer flips or softly thrown anhyzers.
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NoMoreTinCup · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:

Peters and JFarm are right. If you can find and throw a DX Flat Top Rancho, they are the most dependably stable Rocs IMO. Joses is also correct in how fine a combination the Wasp and Buzzz are. I parked a 388 foot hole last weekend with a FLX Buzzz. It was downhill, but the hyzer line with a driver is a long shot. So, for funsies, I threw the Buzzz within 20 feet of my Forces. I also recall throwing at Peaks View one evening and nearly outdriving my Beast with a Buzzz. KP
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jfarm07 · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject:

So Marshall Street says of the Wasp that it "flies and looks uncannily like a Roc" and "this Discraft Wasp raised some eyebrows in the disc golf world for its similarity to Innova's massively popular Roc. But hey, it's a free world...the part that isn't patented at least."
So, my question is, is there a difference? I've looked at a Wasp before, and can confirm it's likeness in appearance to a Roc. But I've never thrown one. Do they fly identically or differently? Just curious.
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patrick71 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:02 am Post subject:

i would say a wasp is definitely more stable than a roc.
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NoMoreTinCup · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:12 am Post subject:

I have only ever thrown the Z and ESP Wasps. I would think that perhaps the D Wasps could at least be seasoned to fly like a Roc. My ESP flies somewhat like some Rocs. It is stable up to a point, and then violently unstable. I think maybe the First Run ESP Wasps were like that, because I have thrown other ESP Wasps that are quite overstable. Now, recently, SHTEEV and I were out at Falling Creek, and after completing 18, we threw some putters and midranges at basket 5. I threw some of mine and his, and vice versa. Now, if anyone has a couple of Rocs in the bag, it is Poppa Powers. Like 6 KC Pro Rocs. Of all the Rocs of his that I threw, only the brand new RW Rancho was even close in stability to my heavy Z Wasp. I think that he would agree, if he remembers throwing them. As for it being a rip off by Discraft, there are lots of urban myths out there about disc design and industrial espionage. All of which are fairly entertaining. KP
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jfarm07 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject:

nice. yeah i think rocs fit better in my bag than a wasp would. with two gators, which i love, not much need for another massively overstable disc. my beaded champ is stupid overstable - i love it - and my beadless star is more gently overstable. nice combo that my slew of rocs complements nicely.
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reallybadputter · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: