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[Suprmatic]

Just putting these questions forth for discussion/consideration/clarification.

1) Is there a maximum scope magnification?
Most pistol scopes are of relatively low magnification, but I know that some folks use rifle scopes on pistols, for example - MAC-1 LDs used for silhouette competition.

2) What , if any, will be the accepted shooting stance for the purpose of pistol FT?
a) Presumably a two hand hold, in a typical "combat", "weaver" or "isosceles" stance? IE - the pistol contacted only by the two hands, and no other body part?
b) Any positions allowed that would afford the shooter added stability by bracing against another body part while not directly contacting the pistol? IE - seated on the ground, knees up, forearms rested on knees - or - laying on back, left arm supporting head, right arm holding pistol, braced against thigh? (can't recall the actual name of this position - used in CF silhouette).
c) If using a rifle scope, as alluded to above, (and using a Crosman Mark I with hangy tank) the shooter is required to assume a somewhat different shooting stance, which coincidentally allows the resting of the hangy tank on the shooter's abdomen, presumably adding to the stability of the pistol. Would this be allowed?

[Keyrigger]

These are all being worked on as we speak. It will take a bit of time to sort out what is within reason and what is over the top. I can tell you that the pistol, when fired from a forced offhand position, must be only held by one hand and that the arm holding the pistol cannot be supported by the other arm. True offhand. Kneeling will allow one or two hand hold but the pistol may not be supported by any means other than by the shooter's hands. The position will be typical kneeling and that means one knee on the ground and one up. Offhand may be used in the event of not being able to kneel, just as it is in rifle. Give it a bit of time to sort it all out, as there is input from rules used around the world and that is usually how you can get the best overview of what is acceptable. Don't count on hangy tanks being allowed, though. Time will tell.
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CAFTA Governor

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[CJN]

The CAFTA governors have not yet sat down and formally discussed if we even want a FT Pistol Divsion yet.

At this stage all that I know of is that the match directors at Port have indicated the possibility of a Pistol "fun match". If and when that happens, the match directors at Port will want to have some sort of guidelines in place so people know what to expect, and will send this out into public domain prior to the match. Remember, at this stage it is only a "fun match" and not part of the regular CAFTA shooting season.

If the CAFTA governors find Pistol FT to be a positive addition to FT shooting in Canada, we as a group will decide where we want to go with it. Whether making it a true Division under the CAFTA rules and offered at regular matches (likely requiring its own lanes shot at the same time as the rifle course), or remain a once or twice in a season offering.

At this stage, the rules at a fun Pistol match will be the Port match directors call. It is too early to make any formal speculations or conclusions as what those rules will be as we have not even discussed it at any length together.

[Mac]

Hey Supr

You getting anxious to put a pistol together to compete with? Cabin fever strikes again.

Once gun characteristics are decided upon, we will get that out. I know people want to get a gun ready that will conform to the rules. That probably will be the first thing we publish, so folks can get started getting a pistol ready.

Initial discussions by email have started, but we hope to have a meeting to nail everything down. Once we have a match in whatever form it takes, we will see how things go and revise if needed.

Hope to see you soon.

Tim

[Suprmatic]

[DoctorFrankengun]

A fun match to test the waters would be great. Actually if all we ever had were fun matches it would be fine by me. Just getting out with friends for a good time is what it's all about.
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[CJN]

No wrong impression given. I just thought clarification was needed here because what only started as a brief mention of the Port club hosting a Pistol fun match sometime this year has turned into statements about what is and what is not allowed already before even the host match directors have discussed it. CAFTA governors have not had formal discussions on where we want to go with Pistol FT, or what the rules would be, but a couple days ago certain rules were suggested independently by one governor, and the discussion process has begun. It would not be right for me to try to tell what is and what is not allowed at this stage as we have not got that far as match directors or in governor discussions.

I think Pistol FT would be a great addition. It allows a non-FAC element to enter, and doing so without the need to spend big money.

The first Pistol FT match MAY be offered on the same day as a regular rifle match and offered as a mini Pistol FT match after the rifle match is over.

Also a full Pistol FT match could be held on its own later in the summer.

Also a combination match of rifle and pistol has been discussed.

Discussions on rules has just begun between the match directors/governors, so will take a short while to sort out.

I think we have concluded that we do not wish to introduce Pistol FT at the cost of eliminating some of our regular season rifle FT matches. So it must be worked in with them or around them somehow.

My PERSONAL vision is that Pistol FT could be offered at every FT match in the future. We could take advantage of the 20 lanes we have at Port, and designated pistol lanes be offered. This would mean we need twice the number of targets, and would need the help of more shooters to supply targets for a match and help set up lanes.

At this time we have no Pistol rules set, and no conclusion on whether Pistol FT will be a regular feature at our FT matches. Like most new things, this will take some time and sorting.

I'm sure it will end well. It should be fun.

[Keyrigger]

Supr:

The entire process is an evolving entity and as time progresses, things are thought about or brought up that have a profound impact on how the rules are viewed and interpreted. I would not write off your 1.5 scoped guns just yet. Hold tite for a little while longer, as what was there one day is not there the next, or some cases, the figures have changed. Take care.
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CAFTA Governor

When you are long winded, is that a sign of Wisdom or Old Age?

[Suprmatic]

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